Numark CDX (1/2)
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W.i.M    posted on 30-05-2004 16:32


De specs:
  • Ultra hoge torque (5.0 kgf/cm) direct drive motor
  • 12" aluminum platter met vinyl record control
  • Slot-load CD transport met CDR compatibility
  • Ge?ntegreerd DSP effecten (o.a. sonar, slide, echo, filter, chop, auto-pan en auto-dissemination)
  • Meerdere scratch modes voor trucs en effecten
  • Seamless loop met smart loop, live trim, en beat shifting
  • Ingebouwde Beatkeeper? met auto-synchronisatie van loops, effecten, en MIDI apparaten
  • Heldere VFD (Vacuum Fluorescent Display) geeft BPM, tijd, en unit status weer.
  • Wiel voor effecten en zoekfunctie
  • MIDI I/O voor synchronisatie met drum machines en andere MIDI apparatuur
  • 3,000 cue point geheugen
  • 2 hot stutter starts
  • Dubbele "battle-style" turntable platter controls
  • Instelbare start- en remsnelheden
  • Forward/reverse toggle met bleep
  • ?6, 12, 25 en 100% pitch control
  • Key Lock tot ?100% pitch
  • Anti-Shock? buffer technologie
  • S/PDIF digitale output
  • Fader/remote start en relay play
  • Mogelijkheid om updates in te laden die men via het internet kan downloaden
Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
User edit by W.i.M on 30-05-2004 @ 16:33:49 (31%)

Lead    posted on 11-06-2004 17:16
Ik heb met dit toestel kunnen spelen en moet zeggen dat ik hem wel fijn vind werken. Het gevoel is gelijk aan dat van de TTX1, Cue Stutter werkt goed (als Pioneer's CUE functie) en de scratch klinkt erg natuurlijk.

Ik heb het toestel nog niet op erg veel plaatsen zien staan, maar denk dat er zeker genoeg mensen zijn die dit toestel al in huis hebben... Hij heeft zeker een streepje voor op de Technics (hoewel die er super-strak uitziet natuurlijk)

Ik heb onlangs meer info op onze site gezet over de Numark CDX1 in een van de Topics

//www.djresource.eu/Topics/story/56/Numark-CDX/
Let the BASS be louder
User edit by Lead on 07-03-2005 @ 23:20:52 (48%)
Bart    posted on 16-06-2004 22:29
Ik heb m een paar keer uitvoerig mogen testen en ik mag mezelf binnenkort waarschijnlijk gelukkige eigenaar gaan noemen.

Ik hou me voornamelijk bezig met turntablism en dacht in het begin dat dat apparaat niet eens in de buurt zou komen van een echte tt, maar niets is minder waar.

Als je gaat lopen muggenziften zullen er vast dingetjes zijn die op een echte tt toch net iets anders zijn, maar of ook meteen betekent dat dat beter is.... Daar heb ik zo mijn twijfels bij.

tis effe wennen met het bepalen van je quepoint zo zonder stickertjes (voor turntablism dan), maar daar had ik na een beetje spelen al geen last meer van.

2x geprobeerd en simpelweg verkocht...
W.i.M    posted on 18-06-2004 16:35
Ik ben benieuwd, en ook naar de vraagprijs.

Wat moet deze player gaan kosten ?
Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
Bart    posted on 18-06-2004 17:01
In Keulen bij Music Store ongeveer ?975 geloof ik.
In Nederland ergens in de ?1100,0

Nevz    posted on 14-07-2004 22:05
Ik vind het ook wel een mooi apparaat. Het platter is erg sterk,Het LCD zit op een gunstige plek, Loopwerk kun je makelijk vervangen. Het enige nadeel vind ik is dat hij er heel erg speelgoedachtig uitziet...

Maar dat zal wel weer aan mij liggen.....    
Lead    posted on 15-07-2004 09:25
Ik deel je mening voor het grootste gedeelte. Mooi apperaat, leuke features, maar niet helemaal mijn favoriete uiterlijk :D
Let the BASS be louder
Interstate    posted on 15-07-2004 09:34

Ik kan alleen maar zeggen dat ik het uiterlijk ook wel heel mooi vind.
Maarja het is natuurlijk heel logisch dat ik dat vind...

W.i.M    posted on 15-07-2004 17:40
Misschien ligt het aan mijn smaak, maar ik vind het apparaat er wel goed uitzien.

Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
Lead    posted on 16-07-2004 09:34
Gelukkig kan en mag iedereen hierover van mening verschillen Happy, laughing

De Technics vind ik er mooi uitzien, maar die werkt niet echt lekker. Terwijl de CDX iets minder mijn persoonlijke smaak is, maar waarvan de werking die van de Technics in iedergeval overtroeft....
Let the BASS be louder
Dogg    posted on 18-07-2004 22:28
I don't know if that's authorized but here's a very very interesting review of the 4 CD gears that are on top at the moment...
Quoted from Denon forum...

Hiya, I just came back from guitar center. The original plan was to go play with the s5000s again since I was looking to grab one to add to my existing setup. To my surprise that had the Numark CDX out as a demo unit. They also had as usual the CDJ1000, SLDZ1200, and the s5000 out as well, so I decided to perform a little side by side comparison/review. Let me first state that I am a hiphop dj who loves to mix (i do clubs, parties etc.), and scratches quite a bit (only in the basement though). So I pretty much am a versatyle dj who does it all. For people who dont like to read here are my quick rankings(let me also state that since I am a technics sl1200mk2 user, I did not really review any of the effects or sampler stuff found on these decks because I'm not really used to them and I really dont have a need for them):

4. Technics SLDZ1200
3. Denon dn-s5000
2. Pioneer CDJ1000
1. Numark CDX


4. Technics SLDZ1200 - Technics really dropped the ball on this one. Two things really bring this deck down alot. Let's start out with the platter. Now why technics decided to bring out a 10 inch deck instead of a 12 inch deck while they were trying to emulate a 1200 mk2 really bondles my mind. On top of that they put a super big ass display in the middle which gives you about 3.5 inches of finger room to work the platter. Then on top of that there's 2 big bumps in the vinyl slab that keeps the vinyl from slipping that also get in the way. You damn near have to scratch this thing with 2 fingers. It's really annoying and after playing with the 12 inch platter of the CDX you really dont even want to use this thing because of the platter layout. The buttons and everything else have in good positions however and i really dont have any complaints about that. Second thing that sucks about this unit is the scratch sound, and I aint talking about with the key lock on. With the key lock off you can still hear little digital artifacts while scratching, however I must point out ALL DECKS TESTED HAD A SIMILIAR DIGITAL SOUND WHILE SCRATCHING (cept for the pioneer). Some just were a little more apparent than others with the Technics Deck being the most apparent. Positives about this deck is that it really feels great once you get over the platter layout. You really feel like this deck has the same build quality as the sl1200mk2. The pitch isn't as lose as the other decks (i really love this). I also really love the feel of that vinyl slab they have on there. It has a nice grip to it. Also as shallow as this sounds, this deck is just plain sexy. I definently can't wait till technics drops a MK2 version of this deck with all the layout and sound quality problems fixed. Imagine a 12 inch technics SLDZ1200 deck with no big ass display in the middle with no sound quality issues. That would be Shocked.

3. Denon s5000 - Probably the most most feature filled deck on the planet. Is this a good thing though? In my opinion it's not. At first glance the first thing I had to say about this deck is wow, waaaay too much sh!t. The deck is just cluttered with knobs, buttons, smaller buttons, more knobs, etc. It's not easy to navigate at all. It's not one of those decks that you can just jump on and do what you want to do. For example to do things that you think would be simple to do you have to press 2 buttons, while holding another one, while switching to alpha track (which I'll explain later), while switching out of something else, while turning cart wheels, and smoking a cigarette (exaggeration but you get the point Laughing). The deck is just really not user friendly at all. Second thing I can complain about it the platter. Of course it's small which took some getting used to. Another thing is that it spins at 45 rpm which also sucks in my opinion cause the thing just spins way to fast for my liking. It also has this plasticy and cheap feel to it which I dont like at all (even though you can throw a 7 inch vinyl on it). And we're not even going to mention the fact that it's belt drive. The scratch sound of this deck also does not compare to it's cdj1000 and cdx counterparts imo either. Just a little too digital sounding for my tastes. Cool things about this deck are the alpha track and hot disc functions. These too functions really set the dns5000 apart from other decks imo. DJs who just want to compliment their existing setup win with the s5000 because honestly you only really have to buy one. Also this deck is software upgradeable, another plus! I'm glad denon set the trend with that function. Denon gets extra points with the pricing of this product also. In regards to sexiness this deck ranks dead last.

2. Pioneer CDJ1000 - Stability, stability, stabilty. Stabilty describes this deck the best. Everything that is on this deck ::gasp::, actually fuckin works! The scratch sound of this deck is absolutely great. No digital artifacts like the other decks. Also the layout of this deck is great also. Everything you want you find or change you can easily find on the pio. There's not too many buttons everywhere which is a plus imo. I felt more comfortable on the pio deck than on the denon. But we all know it's downfall. Nonspinning, 7 inch platter which takes ALOT of getting used to. Imagine spinning on your 1200s with the motor turned off. It just feels weird. Also on the 1000 the platter is kind of stiff which i why I like the cdj800 better than the 1000. The 800s platter is more loose.

1. Numark CDX - WOW. If you are a dj like me that has spent the last 5-6 years on analog decks and are looking for some cd decks than look no farther. This decks feels exactly like spinning on vinyl decks. If someone were to tell you that you are spinning vinyl instead of cds, you would believe them because the only way you can tell them apart is because the cdx has no tone arm. The scratch sound is not as good as the pioneer's imo because you can still barely hear the digital artifacts, but it's still better than denon and tech imo. The layout is nice. All the effects, sampler stuff and other shit that I dont use are on the top at the left, while the cue stuff is in the center, and the menu and display is on the right. There's isn't a shit load of buttons and knobs on this unit. The menu is very easy to navigate and changing things you want changed is easy as 1-2-3. They kept it simple, which is also a plus in my opinion. When I first saw videos of this unit I thought "god that thing is god awful looking and big as hell". But actually the cdx doesn't appear to be too big at all in person and is actually pretty sexy (ranks 2nd behind the technics deck). Another thing I have heard people complaining about is that the pitch slider is too far. I must admit that I thought that the pitch slider was a little loose but during no time while I was mixing did I think "Oh my god the pitch slider is so far away, my arm hurts, let me get off this thing". It was more like "Oh my god this unit fucking rocks my socks, i wish I can steal one now". I really can't think of nothing bad to say about this unit, but to keep it fair I guess I will nitpick a little. The thing looks kind of plasticy and cheap. Also the thing in the middle of the vinyl peice (looks like a label) kinda sticks up. All in all the Numark CDX is going to score big with seasoned djs that are used to 12 inch analog decks and newbies who want that true vinyl feel. And also this is NOT just a scratchers deck. I hate that argument. I remember the times when djs could rock a house/techno set on 2 analogs decks with just their pitch sliders. Now people act like they have to have a million and one effects and samplers and all that jive to rock a set. I'd take a great deck that is easy to use and is simple over a deck that takes a manual to use that has a million features that I would probably use once and gives me a headache to look at. If you can't do a dope mix on a cdx than I feel sorry for you, cause this deck OWNS THE CD DECK INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW.

P.S. These things actually had me wanting to try out a TTX. The torque is very nice.

All in all I think I'm going to just buy a dn-s5000. Reason being is that I would have to buy 2 of the other decks and I really dont want to cause these things just cause too damn much. Denon is going to save me money, and I can probably get used to all the things I said I didn't like about them. But honestly If people were really smart they wouldn't even buy any cd tables right now. I got two reason for this. 1. They all just cost too damn much. 2. Cd tables are kinda in their beta stages. Companies really dont know what direction to take their products. Give it about another year or two and I think that they will all hopefully have their shit together. These decks out right now are just the first of the many that will drop. I don't know if I want to put in more than a thousand bucks on a product that I KNOW will be out done by a future deck in the matter of months. Hoped you enjoyed my review and just remember that this is all opinion. Dont beat me up.

Peace!!!!

As you can see the only reason he did buy Denon is the fact that he already owns 2 other Denon gears...
As you can also see Numark has done a great job with their CDX... but in my humble opinion... it won't take off because you do need something that is really dope to topple Pioneer from the top...
PIONEER is once again praised... this time by a DENON user
What about the Tech...  you can see that's the worst thing ?1300 can buy at the moment

I'm quite happy because this was more or less the conclusion I did reach when buying my gears (CDJs)
Lead    posted on 18-07-2004 22:39

Dogg, very nice review you've posted there ! Please also post a direct link to the source of the information if you quote text so that people can check it out for more info...

Nice to hear these things from a Denon fan though Thumbs Up


ps. I think that he tested the CDJ-1000 MK1 if I read his description about the feel of the jog, this is heavely improve when the CDJ-1000 MK2 was released

Let the BASS be louder
Dogg    posted on 18-07-2004 23:00
On Lead's request here's the link

http://www.dn-s5000.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2...
User edit by Lead on 07-03-2005 @ 23:18:16 (62%)
Dogg    posted on 19-07-2004 00:17
Accoring to the guy who wrote the review (LightsOutNicca), he did the test on MK2s... Weird as I'm pretty happy with the felling I'm getting from mine (CDJ1000mk2's jog) (not too loose, not too stiff... just peeeeerfect )
(That might be due to the fact that there's hundreds, thousands, millions... let's say it billions of people waiting to touch CDJ-1000 MK2... ... OK OK... time to go to bed!)
User edit by Dogg on 19-07-2004 @ 00:24:08 (9%)
W.i.M    posted on 19-07-2004 00:35
THAT is a very nice review..

I cannot judge the lineup because I haven't play them all but a nicely written review

But the best is not alway the best to buy because they have a price.
Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
User edit by W.i.M on 19-07-2004 @ 00:41:52 (7%)
Dav3    posted on 19-07-2004 09:46
We'll ij'm going for my second CDJ soon and i think i'm gonna buy a CDJ1000MK2 now to fit with my CDJ800 Winking my eye more tricks and features with it ! ANd the Pio's feel great !
www.everybeat.nl
DJ_Weiss    posted on 17-08-2004 21:56

I enjoyed the review on the previous page very much!!!

However, the real test is actually mixing with a CDX during a set when the pressure is on.... I actually was able to borrow a Numark CDX, and use it for three different 4 hour sets. I fell in love with the unit!!! I use a Rane TTM-56 Mixer and have been mixing on analog MK3's for about 5 years, and this is the closest thing I have felt to an analog table. I was originally a die hard vinyl DJ and never thought I would be mixing with CD's, however as my records started wearing out, and skipping I found that some of them were irreplaceable so I decided to start archiving them in a digital format as a backup, and after getting sick of dub plates I just started using CD's. I dabbled with the Numark TTX's for a while when a friend purchased them, and really didn't like the different feel and look, but if you are used to TTX's then the CDX unit will feel even closer to you than I. Another thing that I have just recently started to do is integrating effects into my mixes. At heart I am a turntablist DJ and don't use effects however the crowd reactions that I have seen while using effects, as well as the added mixing, and transition abilities have led me to start using them more than I originally thought. I have tried using the Technics CDJ's and quite frankly if you are an analog turntable DJ at heart they take quite a bit of getting used to, and could hinder your analog turntable teachings. There are quite a few things that I did notice with this unit while spinning a set that felt different.

1. The spindle that fits through the middle of the record actually moves independently from the platter itself and screws into its base to secure the record to the platter. I have developed a habit of beat matching by using the spindle to slow or speed up the record, and during my sets I actually loosened the spindle a bit causing some frustration. I had to change my beat matching method a bit and I actually used the plate that holds the record on the platter (where the record label would normally show) to speed up or slow down the record, and it worked fine.

2. The pitch control had a different feel then my MK3's and was much looser. I definitely felt a difference when adjusting the pitch, and frequently would speed up or slow down the record too much due to the looseness of the pitch control. However if you are used to TTX's then this might not be an issue.

3. The stock record and slip mat are not ideal for scratching unless you are used to this type of setup. I normally use a slip mat similar to the ones that come stock with the Technics, rather than the spongy Numark slip mat (Similar to a wetsuit material.. for those who hit the waters) I also have come accustomed to the infamous "Butter Rugs" (For a review - http://www.djqbert.com/news/?news_id=92 ) that I use underneath the slip mats which never build up static (A scratchers demise). The third thing that I love is scratching with a light weight thinner record, which makes different types of scratching, and back spinning easier so I replaced the thicker stock Numark CDX record with a different record. By replacing the stock setup that comes with the CDX unit with something that you are more accustomed to you can enhance your abilities easily.

4. It would be nice to be able to have a foot pedal for adjusting the tempo of the effects. I love the Pioneer DJM-909's (Which I don't have, and have not really tested) feature of a foot pedal for being able to tap the tempo at which your effects are geared to, however if you had the DJM-909 you probably would waste time with the effects built into the CDX anyway.

5. The unit is the same size as a turntable, and some of my gigs give me limited setup space, so trying to setup two CDX's, and two MK3's requires a lot of space, as well as extra equipment you have to haul. I envision that once this techmology (<-- Ali G) is juiced for all its worth and has saturated the market they will come out with a unit that you can play CD's, and records on. If you think about the relation, all you really need on the CDX is a tone arm to make this happen. Get rid of the effects, and place a tone arm in their place and you would have dual capabilities of playing CD's, and records on one unit. Less equipment, same features, less space to take up.  Plus the effects should really be left up to the mixer. The only thing I believe to need on your decks is a sampling unit with loop, and cue capabilities. A BPM counter is nice to for those who can't mix without one as well.

One of the things I love about digital decks; the TTX, and any of the newer CD decks out there is the fact that you can lock the key, meaning you can mix a 110 BPM song with a 92 BPM song, and the voice doesn't sound out of key. There are many songs out there that are close in relation and make excellent mixes, but the BPM's are so far apart that buy the time you adjust the pitch control to match the beats one, or both of the songs sound out of key. It also nice when mixing acapella versions of songs over instrumentals of other songs to create your own live remix. This feature is more for Top 40 DJ's that mix songs that people have drilled in their heads, and would notice a change in key of someone?s voice.

Overall, I hope Technics comes out with a unit very similar to the CDX because one last thing that I don't like is the look and feel. The CDX is very plasticy, and does not seem as rugged and rigid as the Technics table. This is also one of the things that I felt about the TTX's when they came out. I am not sure why Numark has chosen to go with more plastic rather than metal, because the deck is just as heavy, if not heavier than a Technics. I am dreaming about the day when Technics creates a deck that plays records, MP3's, and Audio CD's without compromising their original quality.

As an analog turntable DJ I place the Numark CDX unit above any of its competitors. You find that the people who don't like this better than the others are DJ's who aren't turntable DJ's, or turntable DJ's that are already used to a different type of unit. You will also run into the DJ that doesn't have as much money to invest in a good quality deck that will choose the latter.

Enjoy!

User edit by DJ_Weiss on 18-08-2004 @ 06:30:15 (18%)
DJ_Weiss    posted on 17-08-2004 21:58
I would love to hear any suggestions about some of the issues I have dealt with on the CDX unit.
User edit by DJ_Weiss on 18-08-2004 @ 06:31:19 (53%)
W.i.M    posted on 27-08-2004 17:25
I love reading this review but I don't have any suggestions about some of the issues.

Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
DJ_Weiss    posted on 02-09-2004 03:48
Thanks Wim... Glad to help with any input I might have..
Lead    posted on 03-09-2004 09:10
Nice report Wiess.... I do agree with most of the story.

I think dat from the CD players WITH rotating Platter, that the Numark CDX is the winner. In general I would prefer a non-rotating platter (CDJ-style) over a rotating one.....
Let the BASS be louder
Ferry    posted on 06-09-2004 19:34
maybe i must go test a few gears....
I only know how pioneer works...
maybe I would like to see all 4 of them from the inside...
just to see how the constructions are of all 4 of them...
just to see what's the most relyable system...
Because i think you'll have a lot of trouble coming up with the plattermoving cd-decks.
With a cdj-1000/mk2/800 the movement of the platter is measured with a round plastic film that looks a bit like this ->    IIIIIIIIIIIIII
On the other end of the film there is a sensor that detects light.
So when you turn the platter, the sensor will detect movement from the platter if a black part of the film passes, becouse he sees no light.
I'm damn curious how they do that with moving platters...
it can't be the same construction, becouse you must have a reference...
i'm really curious...
Send one to menho....
W.i.M    posted on 06-09-2004 23:18
Why can't it be the same system ?

They just have to calculate the already moving platter. In Pioneer case, if you move the platter you know because there is a difference with the light. But with moving platters if you stop the platter there is no light detection so the record stops. If you spin the record forward, the light will be much faster than the original spinning speed.

I'm NOT a technician, this is just my opinion of how it could work
Waarom lees je dit nu eigenlijk ?
DJ_Weiss    posted on 15-09-2004 05:39
Nice thought Wim...

I am not sure how the other units work, but I do know that the Numark CDX actually uses the spindle (middle pin that goes in the hole in the record) to control the track you are playing. If I remove the record from my CDX (Yes I ended up buying one... and I love it!!) I can move the middle pin (spindle) with my fingers to move the song forward or backward. I don't believe that there is an actual laser used other than to read the CD. I do know that the track you are playing is buffered in memory so that whatever you are doing to the sound you are hearing is coming directly from memory and not the CD player. I hope I am making sense.

Also I would like to retract one of the disadvantages I spoke of about the Numark CDX. I spoke of using the spindle to speed up or slow down the record being a problem because you can accidently unscrew the spindle. Well this was on a Numark CDX that I was borrowing from a friend and his spindle wasn't tightened securely. Ever since I bought my own CDX I have not had this problem because I was able to tighten the spindle securely without it ever coming loose.
Lead    posted on 18-09-2004 10:52
So you're now using it with full pleisure ;D
Let the BASS be louder
DJ_Weiss    posted on 04-10-2004 05:02
Poster: Lead
So you're now using it with full pleisure ;D
 

Yes, definately...!!!
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