Why Pioneer 800MK2 is not precise like Pio200

   

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Why Pioneers 800MK2 pitchcontrol is not precise like pitchcontrol on pioneer200?
When i play on 800mk2 i always have to push fuckin jog.
Help!!!!!!!

and yes...why is czech republic flag on my profile?

The CDJ-800 Mk2 is one of the most precise players available, with pitch steps of 0,05% you dpn't even have to babysit your transition, if you can't mix with it, two things can be te case:
- You are used to the jog response of the CDJ-200 and just need to get used to the 800 Mk2
- You just don't get it

No mate,i work more on 800MK2 and for example if one track is little slower when im finding beatmatching i push a little bit pitchcontrol in plus,just to change to next number,and than its faster.But on pioneers 200 when i find beatmatch its over,precise,no need to push jogs.But on 800MK2 i always have to push fuckin jogs beacuse its allmoust always slower or faster a little bit.
Help!
Can i change pitch sensitivity on 800mk2?

No you can't.
The jog is sensitive (more sensitive then the CDJ-200's), you are probably pushing the jog to much.

Other DJs also complain on 800 not just me,everybody says its eaiser to find beatmatch more precisely on 200,but ok.

Why don't you look @ the Pioneer website. Www.pioneer.com.

And i've never met someone who complains about the 800. This is a very good cd-player. Nothing wrong with, and it's perfect for mixing. And beatmatching depends not on the player, but on the quality's from the DJ.

Other DJs also complain on 800 not just me,everybody says its eaiser to find beatmatch more precisely on 200,but ok.

 
Other people also say the bigmac tastes better then the whopper, so?
I'm sorry to be rude, but face it: If you can't mix with a CDJ-800 Mk2, you just can't mix. It's the most accurate player (together with it's big brother) i've ever played on, my transition are fine on those machines...

Poster: Zlatan
Other DJs also complain on 800 not just me,everybody says its eaiser to find beatmatch more precisely on 200,but ok.

 

I have never heard this from anybody !

Most people say : CDJ-800 is far more better than the CDJ-200. It outruns it for speed, features and control. I personally don't have the experience that you describe. My opinion is the the CDJ-800 is not perfect (CDJ-800MK2 = better) but it's a very decent player that has a more natural working than lot's of other players.

Poster: Zlatan..why is czech republic flag on my profile?

 

This is an automatic system that traces back IP adrresses to decide which flag should be used. I'll try to find an update for this database t osolve this...

i also find it strange that you say you dont have to use the jog when ur mixing with the CDJ 200? Surely if record A is to slow, you need to up the pitch and give it a little nudge to bring it in synch with record B. Pitch only changes the speed of the record, to get them in synch you need to use the jog, or Increase the pitch a bit more so the speed is higher than the record your trying to synch with  and than decrease it again so that the speeds are equal.

This should be the case for both the 800 and 200, 800s are working like little gems for me , so dont really understand either.

Poster: Jorrit

Other people also say the bigmac tastes better then the whopper, so?
I'm sorry to be rude, but face it: If you can't mix with a CDJ-800 Mk2, you just can't mix. It's the most accurate player (together with it's big brother) i've ever played on, my transition are fine on those machines...

 
Dont doubt in my DJ skills. I didnt say i make mistake with 800MK2,i just say that i always have to push jog a little bit when i mix with 800MK2(but you cant hear it in mix),when i mix with pioneer 200 i rarely push the jog because pitchcontrol is more precisely,im professional DJ and this is true,other proffesional DJs also agree with me about this pitchcontrol thing.I`ll try to proove it here.

Poster: Illusion
Why don't you look @ the Pioneer website. Www.pioneer.com.

 
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www.pioneer.co.uk 

Poster: Zlatan

Dont doubt in my DJ skills. I didnt say i make mistake with 800MK2,i just say that i always have to push jog a little bit when i mix with 800MK2(but you cant hear it in mix),when i mix with pioneer 200 i rarely push the jog because pitchcontrol is more precisely,im professional DJ and this is true,other proffesional DJs also agree with me about this pitchcontrol thing.I`ll try to proove it here.

 

This fundamentaly when thinkin waht the pitch control does makes no sense what so ever. In theory a more precies pitch would NOT stop you using the Jog to get records in Synch at all. If a record is to slow, u have to speed it up AND synch it, other wise they will be going at the same speed but one will slightly lag behind the other. A more precies pitch would NOT help this at all,

Besides this the pitch on the CDJ800 is more precise than on the CDJ 200, so u are obviously doing something wrong. Have you ever mixed with vinyl?? as its exactly the same principle. Jus changing the pitch will not magically bring the records in synch, u have to get speed right and synchronize them with a nudge on the wheel. If u can hear the nudging on the jog than u are not doing it at the right time (inbetween beats) or doing it to harshly, exactly as with vinyl!!

I have never heard anyone complain about this, so i would like to know who these other DJS are It makes little sense to me!

Dont doubt in my DJ skills. I didnt say i make mistake with 800MK2,i just say that i always have to push jog a little bit when i mix with 800MK2(but you cant hear it in mix),when i mix with pioneer 200 i rarely push the jog because pitchcontrol is more precisely,im professional DJ and this is true,other proffesional DJs also agree with me about this pitchcontrol thing.I`ll try to proove it here.

 
It's your DJ skills, or it is between your ears. The pitch control is excactly the same, the only difference is that the CDJ-800Mk2 jog reacts different. Try to bend w/o MT, you'll hear what I mean. If you set your 200 to a 10 +/- % pichrange the only difference is the jogwheel. Maybe you are used to a 6% setting?

Seriously, I can mix with the CDJ-800's with minimal corrections (just a few minor pushes) during my transitions (1-2 mins). So what is the problem? You? Or the CDJ? Man? Or machine?
If you are a pro DJ, you would naturaly have no problem at al mixing with these decks, they're one of the most accurate available.

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Poster: TheSupercrab Have you ever mixed with vinyl?? as its exactly the same principle.

Of course i did mate,but i rarely touch the plates on turntables,just pushing pitchcontrol,its the best way,like Cristian Varela do and he is extremly good technician as you know probably.But on CDJs is totally different.

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Poster: Jorrit It's your DJ skills, or it is between your ears. The pitch control is excactly the same, the only difference is that the CDJ-800Mk2 jog reacts different. Try to bend w/o MT, you'll hear what I mean. If you set your 200 to a 10 +/- % pichrange the only difference is the jogwheel. Maybe you are used to a 6% setting? Seriously, I can mix with the CDJ-800's with minimal corrections (just a few minor pushes) during my transitions (1-2 mins). So what is the problem? You? Or the CDJ? Man? Or machine? If you are a pro DJ, you would naturaly have no problem at al mixing with these decks, they're one of the most accurate available.

I dont make mistakes,but i always have to correct a little bit in mixing,if its one track a little bit slower for example I push the pitch in plus to next number (for 0,5 for example) and than that track is little bit faster than other one,its hard to keep tracks in synch for one minute for example.I prefer rather +-6 pitchrange but on 800MK2 is just +- 10 as i know.Maybe i have to upgrade softver on 800MK2 or something?I dont have my own players,but there is 4 players in club where i play and all have same problem. :/

I mostly work in 16% pitch range and don't have trouble in getting tracks in sync. also with CDJ-800 it's easy to get 2 tracks in perfect sync for over a minute. Perhaps the CDJ-800 you've tried is malfunctioning

Of course i did mate,but i rarely touch the plates on turntables,just pushing pitchcontrol,its the best way,like Cristian Varela do and he is extremly good technician as you know probably.But on CDJs is totally different.

 
The only difference is that the CDJ-800 reacts quicker then a turntable.

 dont make mistakes,but i always have to correct a little bit in mixing,if its one track a little bit slower for example I push the pitch in plus to next number (for 0,5 for example) and than that track is little bit faster than other one,its hard to keep tracks in synch for one minute for example.I prefer rather +-6 pitchrange but on 800MK2 is just +- 10 as i know.Maybe i have to upgrade softver on 800MK2 or something?I dont have my own players,but there is 4 players in club where i play and all have same problem. :/

 
That method is called pitch riding, and should feel the same on 200/800 is the pitch is +/- 10 % on both.
The problem doesn't lay with the units, it's you. You are used to +/- 6%, and you just need some practice with +/- 10%. A lot of DJ's (like mentioned above) who use this method have their players on +/- 16%, and it works perfect for them, so why can't you do it with 10 %?

Ok damn,im going to practice all this week.

Poster: Zlatan

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Oh my..... so stupid, i typed the wrong website:D

It is pretty easy to proof to yourself which pitchcontrol is better.

Use 2 tracks first on 2 CDJ-200's, play 1 track with the pitchlock on and remember the pitch reading on the pitch display of the other track after beatmatching.

Use the same 2 tracks now on 2 CDJ-800's, playing the same one with the pitch lock on and read the pitch of the other track after beatmatching.

See the difference if there is and hear how long in both situations, CDJ-200 set and the CDJ-800 set, the tracks will play in sync without correcting.