Well Mighty, I don’t want to set you off, but you don’t need to put saluations and signings in all your posts. That gives everyone the chance to reply to you. You also don’t have to apoligize for late replies, as long as you give feedback. And please tell when you've made your final decision. It’s also possible that I’m not available for weeks.
Hmm, I didn’t hear before about the clubs you’ve mentioned. I’m looking for the best clubs in the world you see. The Cream parties in Amnesia seem to be the clubbers Mecca and I want to party there at least once in my life. But Ibiza has got expensive and too commercial I heard, so I’m also looking elsewhere. So I thought maybe you could show me around in the UK and do some serious club hopping together.
I live in Paramaribo, one of the smaller cities of the Caribbean. That’s why you see the blue flag. Would you like to check out my profile as well as yours? There is probably a bug in this section if you’re foreign. I’ve asked DJ Martin to check it, but he didn’t reply.
The club scene here is ofcourse smaller. Urban is mainstream in the clubs. And because trance is my thing, I started DJ-ing, because else I couldn’t enjoy my favourite music style. And offcourse, I also like Marco V’s style. I got his last Combi:Nations CD: great sound. If you know something new from him or other hot tech trance tune, please post it here
But because over the past decade the number of interns from the Netherlands is growing, the dance music scene here is also developing. Those Dutch girls and boys are having the time of their life. The advantage for them is that we speak the same language, because here was a Dutch colony. By the way here was also a former English colony, because the Brits were here before the Dutch. That’s why there is left hand traffic here. Maybe it’s time for me to push for a residency in a club, cuz I may be the best trance DJ in this region. Because I’m the only serious one, haha.
O.k., it’s time to get back on topic. The mods were pretty serious about this the past few weeks. But beside serious DJ stuff, the philosophy of this forum is to make DJ friends all over the world, so I think we can get away with a little chit chat. As long as you keep asking intelligent questions and we both keep the quality of this discussion high.
All mixers we’ve mentioned till now comply with your set of requirements. You should be more specific if you’re still not sure. But if I read between the lines you favour the DJM-600. Well it is not true the DJM-600 is that much worse than the Xone:62. The specs of the latter are a bit better though: eg.
Total harmonic distortion rate
DJM-600 …………….. Below 0.02%
Xone:62 …………….. Below 0.006% THD+noise @1kHz
But improvements below 0.02% you already can’t hear. So, it’s correct that for bedroom use you won’t hear the slightest difference. And if you really know what you’re doing you won’t even notice differences on big PA systems. The strange thing with sound quality is that an expensive system with good specs with someone who doesn’t know what he’s doing always sounds worse than a cheaper system with someone who knows what he’s doing.
But lets run through your ToR:
1. Solidity. DJM-600 scores great, as long as you handle it with due care.
2. Flexibility / abilty to further creativity. DJM-600 scores reasonable depending on your set up. It has sampler plus onboard efx. Using the send / return for an external effector you can add more efx. But you can’t assign 1 effect on more than one channel because of the rotating selector knob. You also can’t assign more than 1 effect to a channel. There are mixers that can do both. Depends on the rest of your ToR if this is acceptable or not. Remember the trade offs. Did you see the set up in the James Zabiela EFX-1000 demo movie? But if you just want to use efx during breaks or climax of tracks or to spice up a transition te DJM-600 will do. If you also want to make own synths/melodies during the whole track you're limited. And you can also connect an EFX-500/1000 on each important channel.
3. Sound quality. DJM-600 scores good. As long as you know how to set the sound levels of your whole system. And if the rest of your equipment is a good match with it. And if you don’t want the digital sound of DJM-800.
4. FX. DJM-600 scores good, because it packs a lot of efx. But DJM-400 and DJM-800 do better. Also the filter doesn’t compare to those of the DJM-800 or the Xone series.
5. Gaurantee is a big deal. Pioneer offers reasonable guarantees. Just check for yourself if your retailer is an official Pioneer dealer.
6. Appearance does matter. I like the black one. Fits the colour of the CDJ’s. But it’s a personal matter.
7. Motivation is important. Euhm! What I meant is if you’re in for the music or for the gear? Or both? If you’re in for the gear, say fashion is your thing. So you’re a collector of DJ gear with a big fat bank account, you should buy a DJM-800. Period! Don’t bother with ToR’s. Remember, you work hard for your money, so you should be happy with the things you buy and nobody else. Also you can't hold anyone responsible if you're not happy with the mixer you will choose. But own motivation is also an good issue.
8. An SP 202 sampler must add to the mixer. DJM-600 already has a sampler. Do you need it double? But you can add it through the send/return.
9. No scratching, music is tech trance Marco V style, so fader options don’t bother greatly. DJM-600 scores well, because it has cross fader options which you may not wish use. But some DJ’s use those, when beatmixing, for subtle changes in channel volumes without affecting the master volume level. Maybe you also want to apply this technique in the future.
10. Reasonable price. DJM-600 scores reasonable in your eyes.
So what do you think now? Works for you? Or should you consider running your ToR through a few other mixers?
My opinion on the use of efx in a DJ’s set is that it should only be done by seasoned, talented DJ’s. Pressing and turning knobs is something everybody can do. But to make the music sound better than the original with efx, you must be talented. Offcourse it will take a lot of practice to understand what will happen if you apply efx. And because it’s hard to predict the final sound you should dedicate a lot of time for experimenting with efx for almost every new track you’re getting. So, efx are very time consuming in my opinion. Also efx mustn’t be applied too much.
I think the DJM-800 is a great mixer. I would like to have both mixers, but it would cost too much and if you’re on your own, you also have other priorities. And the Xone fits my needs a little bit better. But am I right you’re trying to get my ToR for a mixer, that had lead to the selection of the Xone:92?
In the future I intend to use efx, but on a small scale, because I don’t have much time to experiment. Also efx are less important to me than for you, it's on the lists of trade offs. For now I still consider myself a beginner. I’m mastering the application of EQ. This is important to me, as I like smooth mixes and the Xone:92 has 4 band EQ, which is more difficult to handle.
My plans for now, is to buy 2 Stanton C.314 cd decks, before the end of this year and the Xone:92 at the end of next year. The C.314 has a few onboard efx as well as 4 samplers, so I don’t need onboard efx on my mixer or an external effector.
Then I would have something that looks a little bit like this (without laptop):
I would also like to be able to use a set of filter fx on one track and cue another track with another set of filter efx at the same time. You can do this only with the Xone:92.
Another thing is that some mixer manufacturers are featuring matrix inputs. With this you can assign 1 input source to more than 1 line channel of the mixer. This enables you to do some nice things with the EQ pots of the several channels combined with the crossfader on a particular track. With 2 sends on the Xone:92 you can do the same efx as with matrix inputs.