The djm-800 or xone 92 (2/6)
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Poll : Djm 800 or xone 92

-Pioneer Djm-800
-Allen and heath xone-92

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teddyaakre    posted on 27-03-2006 11:28
PLEASE help me... i really need to know which one to buy... i cant make up my mind... and once i buy one of them there is no turning back, because of all the money that were talking about...

anyways, have any of you tried both of these mixers?
Is the xones sound a lot better? if you add a efx-1000 to the xone will it be able to do most of the things that the djm 800 does...

help anyone?

Rhino    posted on 04-04-2006 15:42
Then i know what you mean, but it wouldn,t be a problem for me .

i,m fast on a 24track 8 bus also .

I,m used to 4band EQ .

By the way i know the xone and sometimes mix with it !


But you have a point about what you are saying.

For just(no offence at alll) the dj, a mixer that comes suddenly with swept mids can be at least surprising ....... Happy, laughing


1 of the Reasons why i would buy a Xone is it,s 4 band eq en its analogue filters .

There will be no problem for me mixin it !

Happy, laughing

Rhino    posted on 04-04-2006 15:44
Love to see that the Xone is one point a head(15:43(04-04-06)
MauriceForge    posted on 04-04-2006 15:57
if you are used to 4 band eq's like us..there isn't really a way back, its like black and withe compared to colour tv.
still im considering a 800 maybe both someday......
its hard cause i seriously thinkin i will regret getting the 800 and when in doubt you mustn't do it.
but for eq'ing with a xone if you don''t have any experience with 4 band then its tough, a xone works with cutt off piont's and "q's and actually with the xone eq when you twist a knob it already sounds like a filter thats how good it is...
teddyaakre    posted on 09-04-2006 19:26
I bought the xone :D But i dont recieve it before next week!! WOO HOO, looking forward to it
Gilles    posted on 10-04-2006 08:24
Welcome to the xone brotherhood there teddyaakre



teddyaakre    posted on 10-04-2006 14:05
lol
DJ-Emotion    posted on 10-04-2006 14:28
Poster: teddyaakre
I bought the xone :D But i dont recieve it before next week!! WOO HOO, looking forward to it
 


Goooooooooodddd Choice!

Damn shame that you have 2 wait..... take some sleeping pills in the meantime!

teddyaakre    posted on 10-04-2006 14:43
Off topic: Why the hell did my flag turn russian?

On topic: I have to wait because the person in the dj store didnt have an insurance sheet or something.. I waited for about half an hour and than it closed.. then he found it, but then someone else bought the last one and then they are not getting more before next week.. thats at least what they said
dion    posted on 10-04-2006 16:05
DJM 800 is de best
Gilles    posted on 10-04-2006 16:27
when i had the money for my xone i couldn't wait 1 minute, i drove 2 hours to get it. I didn't want them to send it either.
It was all worth it.
But before you master the mixer you will be a couple off weeks further.
teddyaakre    posted on 11-04-2006 23:02
Can you have up to eight input devices on the xone?? Since its got a line and a phono? Cause that would be very cool!!
User edit by teddyaakre on 11-04-2006 @ 23:02:47 (9%)
victorn    posted on 11-04-2006 23:08
Poster: dion
DJM 800 is de best
 

Alright. Why? What are your experiences with both?

Gilles    posted on 12-04-2006 08:21
Poster: teddyaakre
Can you have up to eight input devices on the xone?? Since its got a line and a phono? Cause that would be very cool!!
 


Yes you can. All inputs are double. So line and phono. You can also convert all phono inputs to line inputs (see manual for that).


Also the 2 mic inputs can be used as line inputs. But they are NOT recorded.


teddyaakre    posted on 12-04-2006 19:24
Cool, thanks Gilles

DJ-Emotion    posted on 13-04-2006 17:57
Poster: dion
DJM 800 is de best
 

Poster: victorn
Alright. Why? What are your experiences with both?
 

Yes, Motivation please!
User edit by DJ-Emotion on 13-04-2006 @ 17:58:28 (100%)
Dav3    posted on 14-04-2006 08:29
So We want pictures of it Winking my eye
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Livingfire    posted on 21-04-2006 19:01
Remember, mixing is all about SOUND QUALITY.  Beatmatching is easy, mixing two tracks is easy, learning tricks for cutting is relatively easy...but knowing how to PROPERLY EQ is the true secret to great sets.  You want to prevent ear fatigue, but still have crisp highs.  You want to have deep, powerful bass...but never get too muddy.  You want to be able to isolate the vocals at any given time (for that matter, you want to be able to isolate any part of any track, but that's getting into years of practice), but you don't know what exactly to bring up or down. 

If your mix sounds muddy or distorted or too trebly or whatever -- it doesn't matter how well you beatmatch or scratch or anything else -- your set will suck.

So...that being said, the choice for the expert is the Xone 92, hands down.  Why?  The four band EQ.

Some of you will laugh at the fact that I actually use a Stanton VRM 10.  I had a DJM 600 for starters, but soon realized that my sound quality was not only lacking, but was truly horrific.  I had no control over the key element -- the mids.  The VRM 10 has a parametric mid EQ, which allows for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, not to mention it is a valve mixer, which adds a beautiful warmth to trance and techno, which is what I primarily spin.  (Trance haters save your flames -- I mix good sets of trance, believe it.)

SO about this DJM 800 -- Yes I have listened to it and played around with it for a bit, and yes it is superior to the 600 in every way.  The 600 and 800 look similar, but they are two totally different animals.  That new 800 is a very good mixer and the default sound quality is, as was mentioned above, just as good as the Xone.  So why the Xone?

Control over the mids is everything when mixing a live set.   The number of people in a given room can change your eq needs, as people absorb sound.  The more people in the room, the tighter your mix will sound because the sound waves are absormed and baffled by the bodies in the room, thereby eliminating standing waves.  This is a great thing, because all you have to do is choose the right track at the start to get people on the floor and you have an immediate advantage.

The Xone eq panel is tough to master.  Your best tool as a DJ is your ear, and once you get that Xone you will understand why everyone who owns one will swear to its sound quality.  Because sound quality is not determined by signal to noise ratio (once you pass 85dB, you're in the range that people cannot distinguish a difference live as long as you properly EQ your music).  You, as a DJ, will have total control over your sound with the Xone, whereas with the 800 you will have a CLEAN sound, but not necessarily a GREAT sound, because GREAT sound is a result of GREAT mixing.

You may be wondering why I have the Stanton instead of the Xone.  Two reasons: First, I got it for a steal.  It is a rotary mixer, which is the only way to go on the VRM 10 because the faders are too loose and will slide down if the mixer is at an angle on the console or in the booth.  Moreover, I personally prefer the feel and accuracy of the big, heavy knobs to any fader I have touched.  But that's me.  The second reason is the valve sound.  I love the warmth and nuance of heated tubes -- there is nothing like it.  As a guitar player I came to appreciate the difference between solid state and tube ampifiers, and when I listened to my CDs through the VRM 10 (a true test of sonic quality in a mixer -- most mixers will make CDs sound very flat compared to vynil - whereas the VRM 10 brings wonderful fullness to CDs, allowing me to play them live).  Not only that, the parametric EQ on the VRM 10 allows me TOTAL control over the EQ.  We're talking +/- 25 dB here, not +/- 12 dB like the Pioneer.  That is huge.  HUGE.  The VRM 10 also has two filters that are almost identicle to the Xone filters -- and here again, filtering is a crucial element to sound control.  The only feature the VRM 10 lacks is a total kill, but I take care of that externally.  The VRM 10 is a difficult mixer to master.  That is why you will find some DJs that say it sounds muddy or has too little headroom or just sucks in general.  Those DJs simply cannot mix, period.  

When I got the VRM 10, the 92 was brand new and very expensive.  I test drove both for a few days before deciding, but I must say I am very pleased with the choice I made (almost two years ago now).  I have learned to control the sound with a precision that is simply not possible on the Pioneer units -- ANY of them, including the DJM 1000.  (I actually think the DJM 800 is a superior unit to the 1000).

I am adding a Xone to my collection.  I will run the A&H valve pre through it -- which is the best sounding set-up I have played with yet.  

So that's my two cent ramble.  If you want to have total control over your music, go with the Xone.  You can add the tube unit to it and you will practically be using a V6, at which point the DJM 800 will seem like a toy.

Summarily:  The DJM 800 is for a person who wnats to play records back with a very clean, true sound.  The Xone 92 is for the DJ who wants to MIX his records.

 
Mimoza    posted on 22-04-2006 12:38
Hands down for the VRM-10!

Were did you find the rotary's for the VRM? Thge problem that i had with my VRM were the faders, i searched everywhere for the rotarys buth they seemed to be unfindable...

The Parametric EQ + the filters on the VRM were really really nice, i miss it a little, buth my rotary mixer is on it's way!
kiss the future
teddyaakre    posted on 24-04-2006 14:47
One last question!! what kind of cables do i need for the booth output?? I get my Xone tomorrow evening, and i just noticed that the booth holes look bigger than the "record" output! Because yesterday i bought two cables for 100 dollars each! the quenex 2!!

Does this fit into the booth or mix two jack!! please help, if not what other cable would i need to buy?? (Dont say XLR, because thats a given Happy, laughing )

And rate which outputs i would get the best sound quality from!!
Is there a difference in sound quality in each output!
What cables would you recommend?
User edit by teddyaakre on 24-04-2006 @ 15:03:05 (37%)
Gilles    posted on 24-04-2006 15:25
Booth output is the same size as send outputs. The BIG headphone plug size.

This would be specified as TRS cable. Booth output as Mix2 is impedance balanced.


As for the output, use Mix1.

Mix1 has a +4db gain i think, correct me if i am wrong.


Teddy, this is all information that can be found in the manual. The manual can be downloaded from the xone site.

User edit by Gilles on 24-04-2006 @ 18:08:24 (7%)
teddyaakre    posted on 24-04-2006 16:02
Thanks gilles!


Livingfire    posted on 25-04-2006 09:12
Mimoza --


I got my VRM 10 used, with the rotary option already installed.  I sent it straight to Stanton Magnetics for a tune up (they found a couple of minor issues -- dirty connections, pots, and replaced them as needed, plus put a brand new faceplate on it, all for under $100) and now its still like brand new.


If you call Stanton Magnetics in Florida, USA, they can hook you up, but you have to be a bit clever with them.  Tell them its the only mixer you truly love, but if they cannot cough up the rotary kit you might just switch to A&H...your knobs will arrive soon enough.


I have tried other rotary mixers -- Rane, Botex, etc., but for me the VRM 10 is truly in a class all its own.  Once mastered, that is, because one thing about that powerful eq section is the ability to truly mess up a mix very very quickly just by touching the knobs too much!  The thing I learned is that a patient ear and a precise touch are far more important than headroom and big rails.


Same goes for the Xone 92 (the 62 is not comparable to the VRM 10, IMO) -- you have to be really patient with yourself when listening to your records and messing with the EQ section because you will find that you have never really completely heard your records if you have been using a straight 3 band EQ.


Hands down, that's the best thing about those mixers (Xone 92, VRM 10 and similar) -- its like obtaining a brand new record collection right on the spot.  The new possibilites are endless, and mixing that same record is a new experience even two years later.



teddyaakre    posted on 25-04-2006 21:35
I just got my XONE92!!!!!


I love it, but there is one thing that bothered me, when i lifted my xone out of the box, i heard something roll inside the mixer! When i turned the other way it rolled back, and so forth.....   There is something inside my mixer.. the mixer is amazing and everything seems to function correctly.. but what the hell is inside rolling?

MauriceForge    posted on 25-04-2006 22:39
then you have to go back to the store or contact allen&heath tech-support. 
www.xone.co.uk 
Lead    posted on 25-04-2006 23:26
I shouldn't use (turn on) the unit when something inside rolls back and forwards. When it is metal it might cause a shortcut.

Send the mixer back or go to an official service center. Possibly something got loose or broke off during transport. When you open the mixer yourself you void the warranty.
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